A Hill To Die On?
![]() | The Shaping of Things to Come is a book that I would include on any list of MUST READS about ministry in the 21st century. I was re-reading it during our outreach with YWAM these past two months (on the bus between ministry locations), and this paragraph jumped out at me as being absolutely crucial in my own journey as an "ecclesiastical anarchist" (HT to Vineyard Canada's Gary Best for publicly giving me that label at a conference a few years back). |
"Not only does our connection with Messiah mean that we are tied inextricably to Him, but it also means that we must affirm, as do the Scriptures, that Jesus is the only way to salvation. It is a given to say that in the ideological/cultural climate of the emerging global culture, this aspect of the Christian claim is under serious threat, and it is not getting any better. When Jesus said in John 14:6, 'I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me,' then once again we must realize that our identities, as well as our mission, are tied to the Messiah. We agree with Peter's confession, 'Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life" (John 6:68)... And neither can our spirituality avoid the messianic (Christocentric) nature of the New Testament faith."
(The Shaping of Things to Come, page 114)
![]() | Since arriving back home, I've learned of another book that just came out, Spencer Burke's Heretic's Guide to Eternity. While I haven't had a chance to read it yet -- and with my limited financial resources, it will probably be some time before I can -- the book is already creating a bit of a stir. |
The emerging conversation has worked hard to remain a "centred set", where there is room for exploration and experimentation, but speaking only for myself, I believe that we need to be tethered to orthodoxy in some way (I'll have to unpack that one later), AND feel the freedom to experiment and explore within parametres of some kind. For me, the quote from Frost & Hirsch is a vital one; "a hill to die on", as it were. A final comment from Leonard Sweet, who wrote some years ago:
"I am a virtual fundamentalist about content. I am a virtual libertarian about containers... The mystery of the Gospel is this: It is always the same (content) and it is always changing (containers). In fact, one of the ways you know the old, old truths are true is their ability to assume amazing and unfamiliar shapes while remaining themselves and without compromising their integrity. Yes, people's experience of God and of the gospel changes. But no, God and the gospel don't change. Part of leadership is making sure that containers don't alter the content as they are wont to do."UPDATE August 24
(Aqua Church, page 30)
Bob Hyatt also weighs in on The Heretics Guide to Eternity, and sums up my concerns quite concisely in his post Oh, Spencer.






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"Orthodoxy in the older and original Christian sense meant "correct praise" or "right worship." The early church's stress was on faith, not so much as an intellectual assent to doctrinal propositions, but as a way of living in the graced community of an actual assembly at worship before the living God." Clapp, A Peculiar People, 120
I'm not quite as convinced about the method vs message debate.. that methods change but message does not. Consider the message we have given about the gospel in the evangelical mainstream of the last fifty years.. propositional, apolitical, individualist. We can argue that we aren't now changing the message.. but in practice, we are. The argument therefore: context is everything..we have to change to remain the same.
Len,
So, which part of "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6) do you want to change?
Or are we talking apples and oranges here?
So, which part of "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6) do you want to change?
Rob, brother, those words have been on my mind and heart alot lately. I don't want to change any of them, but I want the church to get a fresh revelation, and vision to the magnitude of there meaning.
We have become a church so consumed with " Truth ", that if some how we can revive " orthodoxy ", life will come back to the church.
The most brilliant and wild orthodoxy is found in those words alone!!!It is divine simplicity and wisdom beyond anything we could devise.
The church must firstly above anything else " live " the " Way " of Jesus. Dive into the Gospels again, breathe in every word and image of how Jesus lived life.It is in how Jesus lived his life that truth was revealed. Truth in Christ is not found through orthodox creeds, clever theology...it can only be revealed and found in living " The Way " of Christ.
So if the church can live the way of Christ, it will inturn discover the truth of Christ...and have the life of Christ.
Anyway, sorry for sound like an ecclesiastical anarchist.Pax...Ron+
Oranges and grapefruits.
The message Jesus proclaimed hasn't changed, but have we been heaping stuff on top of that? I would say yes, and that part of the message must change, because it's an additive that the gospel either doesn't need or doesn't need except as a translation layer into a given culture. In that sense, it will eventually expire. This is, of course, the "container" part.
Specifically, I think the emphasis on propositional truth *may* cross the barrier as a holdover from modernity... not that I'm against absolute truth or anything, but I question our absolute certainty and attendand dogmatism of what that truth is when it relies too much on our interpretation rather than being explicit. Maybe now we're getting to the crux of the issue.
Jesus is the way, truth, and life, but does "way" mean "doorway" or "path"? Ah. Good thoughts, Ron.
Rob, I don't think that anyone's suggested in this thread (yet!) that John 14:6 doesn't mean that the only way to God is through Jesus. Typically that's been interpreted as referring to a salvific eternal sense, and I would still stand by that until I got an exceptionally good argument otherwise! That said, this isn't the only text on which that particular doctrine is built, so it doesn't stand or fall on this text alone.
wrt the Heretic's Guide, you're free to thumb through or read my copy when you arrive tomorrow.
and btw, congratulations on the E-No link to this post!
Bro. Maynard,
Thanks, and I'm especially grateful that it's Justin & Bob's e-no and not the other one... :)
Although to be fair, it's the Len Sweet quote that got their attention, not anything I wrote!
With regard to the dividing line between container and content, I would offer three things which I believe represent the sine qua non of Christianity:
1. The identity and sacrifice of Jesus
2. The sacredness and authority of scripture
3. The nature and significance of sin, suffering, and evil
None of these should be colored by culture, nor need they be, for they are eternally established, even as the human essence and spiritual predicament is also unchanging.
To the extent these are considered negotiable, one has (in my estimation) walked away from our faith.
Diane
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